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What would you prefer?
1500pts 2 days 29%  29%  [ 2 ]
1500pts 1 day 14%  14%  [ 1 ]
1000pts 2 days 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
1000pts 1 day 57%  57%  [ 4 ]
Not bothered 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
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 Post subject: King of the Ring
PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2011 12:14 pm 
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I'm thinking of orgainising a stand alone WotR event sometime next year, possibly in conjunction with my stand alone Warmachine/Hordes comp I run each year (in May), and I was wondering how much support it may get?

The basic premise at this stage is numbers, and trying to use it as a spring board for the system, so I had 1500pts in mind with no painting required, but there will be a prize for painting.

Is there any particular month that suits people better?

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 Post subject: Re: King of the Ring
PostPosted: Sun Nov 06, 2011 3:10 pm 
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I'd enter.

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 Post subject: Re: King of the Ring
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I'd absolutely enter, AJ.

I think allowing unpainted is a good idea - 1500 pts is a lot of 28mm for people to get done... though of course I continue to be able to provide a 1500pt army (or bits of one to bulk up another) for another player :P

Do you have Martin Wilkinson's details? If not, I'll PM them.

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 Post subject: Re: King of the Ring
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Yeah Ive got Martins contact details :)

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 Post subject: Re: King of the Ring
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I suspect that the later it was done next year the better, to cash in on the hype around the Hobbit movie in late 2012.

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 Post subject: Re: King of the Ring
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We could always do another one. Given that most people who play WotR play it as a tertiary game I feel we could do several solo events throughout the year including campaign based events. Pretty much like we do for Warmachine (this year we had 5 with another 2 before the end of the year).

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 Post subject: Re: King of the Ring
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Sounds like a good idea AJ,

I'd vote a 3 game one day format and while 1500pts is fine I do prefer 1000pts for WotR.
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 Post subject: Re: King of the Ring
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Yeah, that was the plan, I don't really know the effective points value or time variation and was hoping on your guys support to help me with that. Also I was thinking as well as some of the regular prizes I would do things things like most heroes killed/lost etc...

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 Post subject: Re: King of the Ring
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In that case: Two players that know the rules can crack through 1000 points very quickly and even 1500pt armies work for an evening if they are bulked out with more expensive 'fun' stuff. So I reckon 1500pts could be ok as long as players aren't going to rock up with wall to wall Goblins, Orcs or warriors of Minas Tirith and instead mix it up a little. Essentially, what has happened around here is that we all love infantry/cav and seldom consider unit upgrades worth taking so that has tended to pack a lot into 1000pts. However, Ray (for instance) doesn't seem to be any worse off through not being a ruthless maximiser and I'd happily play 1500 and just use the extra 500 to take things I'd usually not take like a costly special formation Monsters or a Trebuchet or somesuch. Some (most) of the 2000 points lists I've seen for Ard Boyz/Forging of Fates have been not all that much larger than what we are running at 1000pts.

That's a long-winded way of saying that 1000pts might be best but 1500 could definitely work if you remind everyone to 'be cool' (for values of cool that = wargaming) and then if people play ball then we might actually see a lot more diversity in what gets used.

I'm strongly for one-day too. I also like the multiple events idea! :D I think variant prizes are a better idea than focusing on winner. While we probably can't be like the last WOTR event and give everyone a prize, I don't tend to see wargaming as about being 'king of the world'.

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 Post subject: Re: King of the Ring
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If you ran it as some kind of "good versus evil" campaign-style thing you could probably dispense with prizes for places all together. Just have prizes for things that fit the campaign (like best painted Easterling army :mrgreen: ).

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 Post subject: Re: King of the Ring
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No with added poll!

Just select the one that works best for you.

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 Post subject: Re: King of the Ring
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Just worked out a potential Mirk Wood list and man its tiny :p

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 Post subject: Re: King of the Ring
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definatley count me and my dwarves in :)


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 Post subject: Re: King of the Ring
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Well six guys and consensus on a one-day event is a good place to start.

Should be good.

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 Post subject: Re: King of the Ring
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Would love to play, preferably at 1500 pts and over two days. Would probably prefer to play good versus evil games as some match ups are unworkable.

Don't agree that troop heavy lists are a drag to play, I believe that turn limited games would negate the need to play to the death.

Troop heavy options are a necessary result of power gaming, using every spell caster and cheesy combo from other lists to gain an edge. As some lists used in isolation are hampered. Why pay 50 points for a captain with the goblins? as he only affords a Fight of 3 and 2 might. Where as 50 points spent on troops is 24 models (3 companies) with change. The captain isn't likely to give any dice bonus in combat where as the three companies will give 6 dice in support even if they don't make frontal contact.

Why spend 100 on a shaman who has mastery level of 1 meaning 1 spell compared to a Nazgul for 125 who has special rules, and a mastery of three with better spell options.


Large blocks of troops are a style of play more in line with "historical" fighting and not hero driven. If points are low, say 1000 points then as a goblin player I would be loathe to use a Balrog at 500 points but would consider at 1500 points. As he would be a third instead of half the total.

Also limiting good forces to 1000 points means Gandalf the white will not be used as he cannot be bought as an ally. Heroes for the good side are overpriced and unlikely to appear in limited points.

It would appear that a select few have tried all the cheese combos and the general group playing style has responded. I for one would run individual company formations against certain players to limit the potential impact shooting and multiple spell casters.

Xelee mentioned other groups using more heroes and less troops, all good if that matches the dynamics of the playing group, though I doubt it would fair well against the armies used here.

I am speaking from experience as the group I played with in the UK in another system (Battletech) had one style which seemed normal. Went to a National tournament and found that our style was brutal compared to others.


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