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 Post subject: air brushing
PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 9:48 pm 
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hi guys im keen on how to learn how to air brush so i can paint my eldar, is there anywhere i can learn or do you have any tips on what to buy and what to do or not do


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 Post subject: Re: air brushing
PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2013 10:04 pm 
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Heaps of tutorials online ,like utube

I'm going to be ordering one of these once the house is sorted out

http://www.amazon.com/BADGER-Renegade-V ... _sbs_ac_57


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 Post subject: Re: air brushing
PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 11:50 am 
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Paint consistency is really important to get the flow going correctly. The best way I've heard it described is that it should be about the consistency of milk or slightly thicker. And keep it clean. It's really important not to let the paint dry in the nozzle or on the needle as it will affect how smoothly it sprays in the future.

As Warpy said, there are a lot of good youtube videos out there. You can look into historical modellers as they've been using airbrushes for years and years before it was used on gaming miniatures.

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 Post subject: Re: air brushing
PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 5:28 pm 
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How much should I look at spending on a set up


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 Post subject: Re: air brushing
PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 9:54 pm 
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I don't know. I spent $350 on a Tamiya Sprayworks when I was 15. I believe they're still around the same price and come with a compressor, 2 size spray nozzles and various bit's and peices, but it's only a single action. Nothing really wrong with it, but if I was going to get another airbrush I'd probably go for a double action badger. Again, there should be plenty of revues online.

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 Post subject: Re: air brushing
PostPosted: Thu Aug 08, 2013 10:13 pm 
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I budgeting a grand for a couple of brushes ,compressor ,new paints and auxiliaries.But won't be getting it all until new house is sorted(hoping end of next month)


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 Post subject: Re: air brushing
PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 11:03 am 
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I have a Badger 150 double-action with three head/needle sets, and a Badger diaphragm compressor, that I bought nearly forty years ago (bloody hell!) and they're both still going strong. I like it because everything is made of chromed brass, and it's quite easy to disassemble to its individual components for really thorough cleaning.

Paasche airbrushes are, in my experience, a bit better made than Badger. Their action is smoother, and they seem to be machined to finer tolerances. Again, they're easy to strip right down if necessary.

I haven't tried any of the modern Iwata-style airbrushes, though people seem to like them.

If you intend to be doing very fine work, you should consider getting a gravity-feed airbrush and a compressor with a storage tank and adjustable pressure output. The main issue I've had with my Badger setup is that because it's a bottom-feed, there's a relatively high minimum pressure required to get paint through it, which makes doing very fine lines without spidering or spattering a bit trickier than with a low-pressure system.

Where possible I like to use alcohol (meths or isopropyl) as the thinner, because of its very fast dry-time. That means that I can use very dilute paint in multiple layers for subtle transition effects without having to wait long between coats. You need to test the paints beforehand though; some of them glug up when alcohol is introduced. Tamiya acrylics thin really well with isopropyl, and they're easily my favourite brand for spraying.

Finally, it might be worth while adding a cheap ultrasonic cleaner to your budget. They make thorough cleaning much, much easier and more effective.


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 Post subject: Re: air brushing
PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 1:49 pm 
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where is best to buy all this stuff


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 Post subject: Re: air brushing
PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 7:50 pm 
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I bought a paasche talon from Chicago airbrush supply. Found it really easy to use. You are welcome to come over and have a play and I could show you what I know.

Im looking at getting a better one soon and am thinking about a Germany brand, which I forget the name atm.

The best advice I found was to buy a fairly basic one to begin with because you will ruin it, either by not cleaning it properly or damaging parts when stripping it down. Use this first one to get practice and move onto a better one when you need to. People often talk about really high end ones but even skilled people find they are overkill for the sort of work we do.

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 Post subject: Re: air brushing
PostPosted: Fri Aug 09, 2013 9:04 pm 
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Should I get an el-cheapo set off trademe to start with


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 Post subject: Re: air brushing
PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2013 5:22 pm 
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http://www.gordonharris.co.nz/harder-ai ... 36332.html

Thats the one i plan to get. Very good reputation plus a ten year warranty and you can get parts in chch.


I've never seen a cheap one so i can't speak to their quality. I imagine they are only good for basecoating. It would be interesting to test one out though. You usually only get nice smooth blends and even spray with ones that have close tolerances, ie more expensive.

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 Post subject: Re: air brushing
PostPosted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 2:24 pm 
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http://www.amazon.com/arts-crafts-sewing/dp/B002W84GTO

Badger 105 gravity-feed airbrush. It's only about $75 (yankee dollars), and it will serve you well as an introductory brush... in fact, you may never feel the need to buy anything more expensive.

http://www.chicagoairbrushsupply.com/newpatagrai.html

Paasche Talon gravity-feed, from Chicago Airbrush. These are really good brushes, again only about $75.

You really don't need to spend hundreds of dollars for a decent-quality airbrush.


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 Post subject: Re: air brushing
PostPosted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 4:13 pm 
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I can really recommend the Talon, especially at that price. $120 NZ inc post is excellent. Id get it with the hose if you dont have one but you dont need the set unless you dont have some suitable tools for taking the AB apart.

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 Post subject: Re: air brushing
PostPosted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 4:34 pm 
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thing else is i need a compresser as well, these were on trade me, i know they not the best brushes in the world.

http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=623689035


http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=623944328

http://www.trademe.co.nz/art/art-supplies-equipment/other/auction-625281040.htm

im liking the yellow as it has a tank, but also like the 1 in chch as ive seen some stuff online about them


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 Post subject: Re: air brushing
PostPosted: Sun Aug 11, 2013 5:42 pm 
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Small doesn't necessarily mean quiet. Depends where you want to do your airbrushing. I do mine in a workshop with ventilation so i can use a big cheap air compressor with a separate air tank and moisture trap. If you want a small portable and quiet one for indoors, its gonna cost more than the airbrush. Plus you'll need a spray booth.

I've been doing some reading on the cheap chinese knockoff airbrushes and you can get ones that are ok for basecoating but you are more than likely to get one that doesn't work all that well.

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