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 Post subject: Carnage 2015
PostPosted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 2:59 pm 
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hello,

Looking at Carnage this year on June 28th at the Woolston Club. Just waiting to confirm room booking.

Will Be 8th Edition.

But with all the End of Times 'Stuff", what sort of army build guide lines would people be looking at?

Responses by those who will actually be attending will be given most weight.

Al

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The Players
All the players that attend are expected to conduct themselves appropriately throughout the tournament. That includes playing the game in the right spirit, making sure they have everything they need dice, measuring tape, clear army lists and their armies! In general contributing to a friendly environment where everyone can enjoy both their games and the time spent in between rounds with their peers.
The underlying drive is to provide the gaming community with an opportunity to participate in a WFB tournament.

The Tournament
Tournament Umpire: Alistair Dennison
When: 28th June 2014
Where Woolston Working Mens Club
Armies: 1600pt lists due Sunday 21st June

Registration
The cost of the event will be $10. Payment no later than Sunday 2st June. Any payments after this are at decision of Umpire to maintain even numbers.
Please note : All payments must have a reference and, or identification, as to who made the payment and for what system. Unidentified payments will cause problems for all involved.
Payments can also be made on Sundays at the Wargaming Club, prior to the event.

Kiwi Bank
New account to be confirmed with new Club treasurer

General Format
• Run under the 8th Edition Warhammer Fantasy rule set.
• All armies must use an Army Book that has been published and released in New Zealand at least one (1) month before the commencement of the tournament.
• The Tamurkhan Throne of Chaos list will be used for the Chaos Dwarves.
• Weapons, armour options and upgrades chosen from the army list must be shown on the majority of the models in a unit.
• Proxies are not allowed. If you are not sure then best to check with the umpire beforehand to avoid problems later.
Painted Armies

FAQ
Max 25% for Lords and Heros
No Special Characters for an event this size.

• You cannot swift reform and enter a building in the same movement phase.
• Scouts do not give up the +1 for finishing deploying first.
• Line of sight; true line of sight will be used unless mutually agreed. Figures height should be considered generally representative of their type regardless of conversions, oddly angled barrels etc.

General Restrictions
MAGIC DICE
Power dice usage is limited to 12 in any one magic phase
Apart from Winds of Magic dice an army may only add 2 Power Dice or Dispel Dice to its magic dice pool in each magic phase excluding channelling.
Any dice added to the pool, regardless of source (generated, stolen, stored from previous magic phases, generated by magic items/abilities to boost spell casting before or after the casting attempt, produced by spells, lore abilities, and so on) count. Excess dice are simply discarded and cannot be used in any way.
Items that add “D3” power dice are allowed to exceed the dice limit and add the additional dice, should the result of the dice roll grant extra dice. As long as the limit had not been reached before rolling.
Night Goblin Mushroom D6 do not count as "power dice" as per their Army book.
Chaos Dwarfs’ Chalice may not be used mid-spell.
Shard of the Herdstone dice do not count to the +2PD

LIST RESTRICTIONS
No single non character unit in the army may be over 400 points
No triple of the same warmachine except for Elven Bolt Throwers/O&G Spear Chukkas where you may take up to 4
Max 3 units with the ‘Fly’ or ‘Hover’ special rule. Of which max 2 can be Characters.
The magic item “Fozzrik’s Folding Fortress” may not be taken.


Army Lists
Players are required to send their army lists no later than 21st June. Please itemise your List! For example 10 x Mushrooms (20) Spore clouds (20) Umbrella (5) – 45pts
Lists can be handed in on Sunday at the Woolston Club , or copy and pasted as an E-mail to : aliddnz@hotmail.com. No attachments please.

MISSIONS
Saturday
08.30 - 10.30 Round One – Battle Line
10.45 – 12.45 Round Two – Blood and Glory
13.00 - 15.00 Round Three – Dawn Attack
15.15 – 17.15 Round Four – Meeting Engagement
17.30 – Pack up
17.30 Awards

Tournament Scoring
Each player will accumulate tournament points over the course of the day comprising of the elements listed below.
Battle Points (60%):
The following VP table will be used to determine the points received by each player for their games.

Battle Points Earned
Victory Points
Winner Loser
0 – 149 10 10
150 – 299 11 9
300 – 499 12 8
500 – 649 13 7
650 – 849 14 6
850-1099 15 5
1100 – 1299 16 4
950 – 1099 17 3
1100 – 1249 18 2
1250 – 1499 19 1
1500+ 20 0

Blood & Glory and scenarios will be used. The achievement of the scenario objective will be worth 300 VPs. Victory points will be determined as normal on top of this, however the scenario winner will score at least 11 points. The loser’s score is capped at 9 points
Blood & Glory will continue for six turns.

Sportsmanship (24%):
After every game each player will enter a score (6/3/0) for their opponent’s sportsmanship throughout the game. A player's tournament points for sports are calculated by their opponent's responses to these questions.
The default score for any game will be a “5”.
[5] Your opponent gave you a decent amicable game or better. Your opponent was essentially in line with, or exceeded your expectations of another player’s behaviour. Rule queries were decided amicably.
[2] Your opponent’s behaviour clearly detracted from your ability to enjoy the game. They refused to resolve rules disputes amicably or displayed an unsavoury attitude throughout the game. Whether too much gloating when winning or too much bitterness when things didn’t go their way. PLEASE NOTE calling over a TO for a rules dispute is regarded as an amicable outcome and should not be punished.
[0] Your opponent more than occasionally displayed behaviour you would classify as border line cheating and was not what you expected to face at the tournament. Examples may include they employed a “rubber ruler”, applied differing rules interpretations to their sole advantage, stretched the rules when it suited etc. This score should be handed out only after careful consideration, and must be clarified with the TO.

Painting (16%):
Painting will be marked during the tournament based on a check list. If you are someone who prefers modelling and converting to painting, there will be some recognition of that, but it is not a necessity to get maximum points. Players will be rewarded for making an attempt at highlighting, shading and detailing.
Armies not painted by the player using them will still be marked appropriately for their painting component, but will be ineligible to be voted for in the Players Choice category.

Prizes
This will be dependent on tournament numbers, at the time of cut off.

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 Post subject: Re: Carnage 2015
PostPosted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 6:37 pm 
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I'd like to see just normal 8th with similar restrictions to last year. Not a fan of end times to be honest.

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 Post subject: Re: Carnage 2015
PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2015 3:11 pm 
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First post edited. Room booking confirmed for 28th June.

One day event.

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 Post subject: Re: Carnage 2015
PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2015 4:17 pm 
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Same weekend as the Waterloo Battle then, presume you are talking to Basil about all this?
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 Post subject: Re: Carnage 2015
PostPosted: Thu Apr 23, 2015 10:10 pm 
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No. just complete brain fart.

Carnage looks like a 1 day event on the 28th June As room bookings on the Saturday night make the upstairs west unavailable.

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 Post subject: Re: Carnage 2015
PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 8:22 pm 
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I'm going to pencil myself in for this event, I already know that I have that day off work.

I would say that new units from the end times are fair game, but all the end times rules, special characters and army lists (maybe except undead legions) are just silly.

Unless you're a beastman player, you can have the marks of chaos.


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 Post subject: Re: Carnage 2015
PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2015 1:58 am 
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FOB-Lite Composition is my vote.

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 Post subject: Re: Carnage 2015
PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2015 7:10 pm 
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Happy with whatever. Although I can see why people are a bit bother by some of the End Times stuff. If you allow all the rules from that then people can take whatever they want according to last book (Archaon).


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 Post subject: Re: Carnage 2015
PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2015 6:01 pm 
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Only have a room available for the one day of Sunday June 28th.

As such this is the following format for Carnage 2015.

4 games at 1600 points.

End Times units and spells can be used but :

No special characters for a tournament this size, also :

max 25% lords and heros.

max unit size 400 points

max 3 flyers, (max 2 characters who can fly)

Entry $10, payable before 3pm on Sunday 21st, at the CWC at the Woolston Club, upstairs West.

How much time would people like for each game of this size?

This will also be added to the first post.

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 Post subject: Re: Carnage 2015
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Lists can be handed in at the CWC on Sundays before the event, or E-mail to :aliddnz@hotmail.com

Please keep lists as a basic structure such as :

20 Dwarf Warriors 160
C M S 30
Shields 20 210

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 Post subject: Re: Carnage 2015
PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2015 12:10 pm 
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Hey

Are we able to pay for the event via internet banking?


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 Post subject: Re: Carnage 2015
PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2015 4:37 pm 
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Hi,

Are we scored on painting, composition etc or is it purely results based?

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 Post subject: Re: Carnage 2015
PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2015 1:01 pm 
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Will be similar as last year With:

battle 60%
Sports 24%
painting 16%

I will put up all remaining details this week now my PC is fully functional again.

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 Post subject: Re: Carnage 2015
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The Players
All the players that attend are expected to conduct themselves appropriately throughout the tournament. That includes playing the game in the right spirit, making sure they have everything they need dice, measuring tape, clear army lists and their armies! In general contributing to a friendly environment where everyone can enjoy both their games and the time spent in between rounds with their peers.
The underlying drive is to provide the gaming community with an opportunity to participate in a WFB tournament.

The Tournament
Tournament Umpire: Alistair Dennison
When: 28th June 2014
Where Woolston Working Mens Club
Armies: 1600pt lists due Sunday 21st June

Registration
The cost of the event will be $10. Payment no later than Sunday 2st June. Any payments after this are at decision of Umpire to maintain even numbers.
Please note : All payments must have a reference and, or identification, as to who made the payment and for what system. Unidentified payments will cause problems for all involved.
Payments can also be made on Sundays at the Wargaming Club, prior to the event.

Kiwi Bank
New account to be confirmed with new Club treasurer

General Format
• Run under the 8th Edition Warhammer Fantasy rule set.
• All armies must use an Army Book that has been published and released in New Zealand at least one (1) month before the commencement of the tournament.
• The Tamurkhan Throne of Chaos list will be used for the Chaos Dwarves.
• Weapons, armour options and upgrades chosen from the army list must be shown on the majority of the models in a unit.
• Proxies are not allowed. If you are not sure then best to check with the umpire beforehand to avoid problems later.
Painted Armies

FAQ
Max 25% for Lords and Heros
No Special Characters for an event this size.

• You cannot swift reform and enter a building in the same movement phase.
• Scouts do not give up the +1 for finishing deploying first.
• Line of sight; true line of sight will be used unless mutually agreed. Figures height should be considered generally representative of their type regardless of conversions, oddly angled barrels etc.

General Restrictions
MAGIC DICE
Power dice usage is limited to 12 in any one magic phase
Apart from Winds of Magic dice an army may only add 2 Power Dice or Dispel Dice to its magic dice pool in each magic phase excluding channelling.
Any dice added to the pool, regardless of source (generated, stolen, stored from previous magic phases, generated by magic items/abilities to boost spell casting before or after the casting attempt, produced by spells, lore abilities, and so on) count. Excess dice are simply discarded and cannot be used in any way.
Items that add “D3” power dice are allowed to exceed the dice limit and add the additional dice, should the result of the dice roll grant extra dice. As long as the limit had not been reached before rolling.
Night Goblin Mushroom D6 do not count as "power dice" as per their Army book.
Chaos Dwarfs’ Chalice may not be used mid-spell.
Shard of the Herdstone dice do not count to the +2PD

LIST RESTRICTIONS
No single non character unit in the army may be over 400 points
No triple of the same warmachine except for Elven Bolt Throwers/O&G Spear Chukkas where you may take up to 4
Max 3 units with the ‘Fly’ or ‘Hover’ special rule. Of which max 2 can be Characters.
The magic item “Fozzrik’s Folding Fortress” may not be taken.


Army Lists
Players are required to send their army lists no later than 21st June. Please itemise your List! For example 10 x Mushrooms (20) Spore clouds (20) Umbrella (5) – 45pts
Lists can be handed in on Sunday at the Woolston Club , or copy and pasted as an E-mail to : aliddnz@hotmail.com. No attachments please.

MISSIONS
Saturday
08.30 - 10.30 Round One – Battle Line
10.45 – 12.45 Round Two – Blood and Glory
13.00 - 15.00 Round Three – Dawn Attack
15.15 – 17.15 Round Four – Meeting Engagement
17.30 – Pack up
17.30 Awards

Tournament Scoring
Each player will accumulate tournament points over the course of the two days comprising of the elements listed below.
Battle Points (60%):
The following VP table will be used to determine the points received by each player for their games.

Battle Points Earned
Victory Points
Winner Loser
0 – 149 10 10
150 – 299 11 9
300 – 499 12 8
500 – 649 13 7
650 – 849 14 6
850-1099 15 5
1100 – 1299 16 4
950 – 1099 17 3
1100 – 1249 18 2
1250 – 1499 19 1
1500+ 20 0

Blood & Glory and scenarios will be used. The achievement of the scenario objective will be worth 300 VPs. Victory points will be determined as normal on top of this, however the scenario winner will score at least 11 points. The loser’s score is capped at 9 points
Blood & Glory will continue for six turns.

Sportsmanship (24%):
After every game each player will enter a score (6/3/0) for their opponent’s sportsmanship throughout the game. A player's tournament points for sports are calculated by their opponent's responses to these questions.
The default score for any game will be a “5”.
[5] Your opponent gave you a decent amicable game or better. Your opponent was essentially in line with, or exceeded your expectations of another player’s behaviour. Rule queries were decided amicably.
[2] Your opponent’s behaviour clearly detracted from your ability to enjoy the game. They refused to resolve rules disputes amicably or displayed an unsavoury attitude throughout the game. Whether too much gloating when winning or too much bitterness when things didn’t go their way. PLEASE NOTE calling over a TO for a rules dispute is regarded as an amicable outcome and should not be punished.
[0] Your opponent more than occasionally displayed behaviour you would classify as border line cheating and was not what you expected to face at the tournament. Examples may include they employed a “rubber ruler”, applied differing rules interpretations to their sole advantage, stretched the rules when it suited etc. This score should be handed out only after careful consideration, and must be clarified with the TO.

Painting (16%):
Painting will be marked during the tournament based on a check list. If you are someone who prefers modelling and converting to painting, there will be some recognition of that, but it is not a necessity to get maximum points. Players will be rewarded for making an attempt at highlighting, shading and detailing.
Armies not painted by the player using them will still be marked appropriately for their painting component, but will be ineligible to be voted for in the Players Choice category.

Prizes
This will be dependent on tournament numbers, at the time of cut off.

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 Post subject: Re: Carnage 2015
PostPosted: Tue Jun 02, 2015 1:28 pm 
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Hi guys ill be coming ill pay tonight and send my list


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