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 Post subject: complaints put forward to Woolstons workingmen's club.
PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2018 6:23 pm 
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Here are the complaints that the Woolston WMC received in relation to the meeting that is potentially taking place on Thursday. We will have a clearer idea if this meeting is actually taking place tomorrow/Monday.

Facebook post - https://www.facebook.com/groups/977412015674145/

To the Woolston Club Board

This letter is regarding concerns held by those signed below regarding recent events at the Christchurch Wargaming Club (CWC) in the past few months. As these events have involved the CWC President and a few members of the CWC committee we do not feel we have any other option than to bring them to your attention. These concerns are listed below. Some additional supporting material is also supplied. We ask the Woolston Club Board to investigate these concerns as a neutral third party.

Sometime between the 24/2/18 and the 2/3/18 the Christchurch Cavaliers (Cav's) executive aproached the CWC President regarding a merger of the two clubs. They quoted there reasons as the delays in the building of the Richmond Clubs new venue, which they had arrainged to move into once completed. That the Papanui Youth Development Centre ceasing the use of that venue for events on Sundays. Later on they have said that they have been having trouble with the St. Paul's Church of Papanui. The CWC Committee was not informed of this proposal. The CWC President appointed himself to undertake these negotioations without informing the CWC Committee.

The President is a member of the Cav's club and is known to serve as a administrator on their Facebook page. He is also the only member of the Committee and Club known to us to have been wanting a merger before the proposal. When brought up in CWC Committee meetings this was dismissed for the following reasons, two clubs act as a pressure valve for each other when coming to internal disagreements within the individual clubs, and it takes the pressure off the Committee members with regards to organising the NZ Wargaming Nationals, which are held in the South Island every three years, traditionally alternated between CWC and Cav's.

The CWC Committee members were informed of the proposed merger by the President it was done piece meal and we were informed that the Cav's member Zane Sharkes would be the new Vice President, as our then Vice President had announced his retirement. This was done on the 4/3/18.

The first meeting of the CWC committee regarding this proposed merger was on the 11/4/18 were it was discussed but the proposal was not presented. The committee was informed that the President had organised a meeting with the Cav's committee minus their President, as he has a new baby in the family, that afternoon, this meeting was stated as being a non-obligation meeting. At the meeting between the two committee's there was some discussion and the proposal was finally presented to the CWC committee, read out by one of the Cav's committee members as they had not brought any copies of it along. During this meeting it was stated that the announcement would be made on the evening of Thursday 15/3/18. No negotitions were entered into regarding the proposed merger by the CWC committee.
When first informed of the proposed merger on the 4/3/18 the CWC committee members were instructed to keep it quite until the next week just as the Cav's committee had been. When the committees were about to start the joined meeting some non committee members of the Cav's club tried to enter the meeting, saying they wanted to discuss the propsed merger. Later on after the anouncement a discussion arose on the Cav's Facebook page regarding a name change of the “new club” that had been described by the Cav's representatives almost verbatium at the meeing on the 11/4/18

The CWC committee had two meetings regarding the proposed merger lasting approximately three hours in total. The second meeting was regarding discussions with concerns from the membership and committee members. These especially regarded space allocation for game systems and the fear of systems and members being pushed out/or made to feel unwelcome by the incoming Cav's members as they had done at the Cav's Club. (There are quite a few members of CWC who used to belong to Cav's until one gaming system took over and started making the rest feel unwelcome.) When it was proposed that protections be put into the CWC Constitution to ensure the later could not happen, these concerns were dismissed by the President on the grounds that “the committee would not do that”.

At the second meeting eight proposals were decided on to be discussed at a Forum meeting to be held on 8/4/18 for voting on at the AGM. The President stated that he wanted the meeting and AGM, to be held a week later on the 15/4/18, to start at 11am so that it would be a short meeting so that “the Grumpy Old Men” wouldn't talk to long. He was informed by at least one member that that was unlikely and to prepare for a long meeting.

A member of the committee had checked the Financial members list, published 7/4/18 against membership forms and receipts for membership payments and noted a sudden increase in membership, approximately 16, from Feburary to April this year. However there was no noticeable increase in members coming in and utilising the CWC in the same period. Many of these new members, about 13, were known Cav's members. It was also noted that Zane Shaskey, the Vice President nominee had only joined the CWC on the 8/4/18 and paid for a ten week membership. CWC membership is twelve dollars for the year, he had paid two Dollars Fifty. Enough to get him through till the years “free” membership as part of the proposed merger. He was later voted in as President of the Cav's club at the Cav's AGM on the 19/4/18.

No Asset or financial report has been presented to the CWC committee or CWC membership, even after being requested multiple times.

At the Forum meeting some members were attempting to discuss the reason for the merger, concerns with the Cav's club history as stated earlier as well as the reason for the forming of Cav's, which had splintered off from CWC fifteen years earlier following actions undertaken by a member of CWC, for which he was suspended from the club for six months. Defaming accusations had also been made regarding the same member and had been used ever since as a reason for not merging the two clubs earlier. These attempts at discussion were constitently being belittled and people, including the CWC President and known Cav's members, calling to hurry up the meeting to get to the eight points published for discussion.

When the agenda for the AGM was published on 9/4/18 the eight proposals were not mentioned, instead new proposals were put forward.

Absentee votes were restricted to the proposed merger issue only. Members could not vote for Committee positions or Constitutional changes. This was after the Woolston Clubs constituion had been consulted. Voted had to be submitted by email to an email address previously unknown to the membership and under the control of a few members of the Committee known to support the proposed merger.

At the AGM on the 15/4/18 the agenda had again been changed by a few members of the Committee. This included putting the proposed merger as the first item to be undertaken, this is in stark contrast to the CWC Constitution. This was pointed out to the moderator running the AGM and he was unsure on what was being pointed out to him.

The vote for the proposed merger was done as a vocal vote, this made the absentee votes mute.

The Committe member position voting was done as a show of hands, or if there were three nominiees then a ballot was undertaken. Thus three different voting types were used.

Some members in the meeting were attempting to take their own record of the vote and have stated that they couldn't count the numbers of votes for or against as fast as the moderator running the AGM, especially with regards to the Terrain Officer position.

There had been discussions been observed on the Cav's Facebook page including a call for Cav's members to come to the CWC AGM and vote in it, especially to get there own people onto the CWC committee, this happened with the majority of the new committee being members of Cav's

It is believed that many of the Cav's members who voted at the CWC AGM also voted at the Cav's AGM held 19/4/18.

Membership cards for both CWC and the Woolston Club were not checked at the beginning of the AGM. This is after it had been discussed and decided to be checked by the committee at the previous meeting.
Signed by concerned members of the Christchurch Wargaming Club below


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 Post subject: Re: complaints put forward to Woolstons workingmen's club.
PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2018 1:36 am 
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These complaints are based upon three things :

Wrongness

Ignorance

The re-writing of history.



More than happy to discuss in person.

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 Post subject: Re: complaints put forward to Woolstons workingmen's club.
PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 10:57 am 
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Wow....................


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 Post subject: Re: complaints put forward to Woolstons workingmen's club.
PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 12:41 pm 
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Worth noting too that these objections have been comprehensively rebutted in the discussion thread in the facebook group here:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/9774120 ... 381093068/

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 Post subject: Re: complaints put forward to Woolstons workingmen's club.
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it is with sadness that a few with their own personal delusions are trying to ruin the reality of everyone else.

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 Post subject: Re: complaints put forward to Woolstons workingmen's club.
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So much drama O.o What happened to rolling dice and having fun.


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 Post subject: Re: complaints put forward to Woolstons workingmen's club.
PostPosted: Fri Jun 15, 2018 2:06 pm 
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Don't worry. If you actually go to the club then there is fun and dice rolling, and the 'on paper' wall of text doesn't translate into any actual dysfunction in the day to day goings on of the club.
We have tonnes of space and plenty of gear.

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